Posted by: Joyce  Post Reply
04/05/2014, 06:42:57
But they look like they could be very nice modern Native American work. Maybe Danny will recognize them...
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/05/2014, 11:52:10
Dear Joyce, Thank you for the imput. Please ask Danny if he could please take a look at these beads and let me know what he thinks of them. Best regards, Florence
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/06/2014, 05:38:40
Thank you, Joyce. You are always there for all of us. Best regards, Florence
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/05/2014, 10:14:25
Florence,
These beads look modern to me, modern being in the last 30 years. There was a company in the Philippines that was producing some very fine mosaic/intarsia work in sterling silver some years ago, I’m guessing it was 20. The majority of their product was made to look “Southwest” they somewhat flooded the market for a short while until new laws were proposed to prosecute people selling this type of jewelry as American Indian made. If I remember correctly they even had the audacity of stamping some of the work with the stamp “ZUNI” Looking at your close up I can see some gaps between stones, if I were you I would look very closely as these gaps with a 10X loupe, I expect you will see a clear adhesive which is likely super glue or epoxy. If you really want to know get a pin red hot and barley touch the gap, if it is super glue or epoxy the pin will melt it a bit and it will give off a distinct plastic odor. Regarding the stone used, it looks like block (man made) to me as the color is far too consistent to be natural. The block used (yes they made all of these) Turquoise, Malachite, Lapis, Sugilite, red and orange coral. Let us know if you do the pin test and what the results are. All my best ............ Danny P.S. They did not have Sugilite on the market until 1980
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Posted by: Russ Nobbs Post Reply
04/05/2014, 11:35:35
I agree with Danny about the "stones" all being imitation "block" material. The beads could be Philippine but I think China is more likely. Consider the world globes that still come from China with inlaid stone (both block and real) coloring the seas and continents. I've seen inlaid beads in HK and Guangzhou but not with the same geometric designs. The ones I saw were brass with silver or gold plate. Can't tell from the picture if the metal is sterling or plated. These are nicely made recent beads made with imitation material.
Related link: Inlaid globe
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/06/2014, 05:33:14
Russ, Thank you for taking the time to respond. Philippines or China...good question. I did not test for sterling silver because I had hopes Marnie Feldman would accept return of necklace. She refused, even though she knows she had misrepresented it. Yes, the beads are nicely made and pretty. It is disappointing to learn they are made with block material. Best regards, Florence
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/06/2014, 10:31:32
Florence,
If you did not pay a lot of money for these beads its a lesson learned. If you did I would insist the Marnie refund the purchase price. Did you buy these on Ebay? All my best ..... Danny
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/06/2014, 13:39:05
Danny, Unfortunately I paid more for this necklace than a long strand of excellent black French Ambassadors would cost. If it had been a few hundred dollars I would just accept this as a lesson learned. I did insist that Marnie refund the purchase price. She refused. I bought these from her at the NYC flea market. She had a very persuasive sales pitch, most of it untrue. Regards, Florence
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/06/2014, 17:23:51
I think I would threaten to spread the word regarding the B.S. story all around the flea market perhaps she might see the light!!
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/06/2014, 18:13:09
If you report her misrepresentation to the owners of the flea, you may get at least a measure of satisfaction...she might get her keester thrown out of the flea market. On the other hand, the flea people might just say...."We're only a venue, not responsible for blah, blah, blah...."
I think the owners can only be held accountable for sales of stolen merch. in their venues...But, you still should share the news of the dealer's sales tactics, in my opinion.
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/08/2014, 13:04:03
Hi Joyce, Thanks for the good idea. Unfortunately, it would not work here. Regards, Florence
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
04/08/2014, 06:15:54
This may get you tossed out eventually but may put some pressure on the seller to refund your money. So sorry you had this misfortune!
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/08/2014, 13:07:28
Hi Rosanna, Thank you for the support. Regards, Florence
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Posted by: Rubyzane Post Reply
04/13/2014, 13:12:35
Hi Florence! How are you..haven't spoken in a while now. I'm home recuperating from surgery, but next time I get to the market, I'll be happy to mention this to her as well. I don't know her, but perhaps that may shake her that people are talking & refund your purchase. Where is she located..(which market, approximate location if she's in the same spot)? Lynne
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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
04/05/2014, 12:59:43
I have a friend who was selling these as recently as 5 years ago
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/06/2014, 05:37:00
Tasart,
Thank you for your response. Was your friend selling these BEADS, or other jewelry with this "Zuni" mosaic design? Best regards, Florence
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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
04/07/2014, 09:54:31
yes, he was selling this style, then a few years ago they went heavy into Synthetic Opal inlay, they still use colored block but added mush more Opal
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/06/2014, 05:23:38
Danny, Thank you for the detailed response. One bead is damaged and yes, it does look like a clear adhesive like glue or epoxy was used. The stones also look like block. As you said, the color is far too consistent to be natural. I did not do a pin test, or acid test for sterling silver, because I was hoping to be able to return the necklace. However, Marnie Feldman refused to refund my money even though she knew she had represented it. I have seen this type of "Zuni" mosaic work on pieces of jewelry: pendants, pins and earrings. What confused me is that I could not find BEADS like these anywhere on the internet. Best regards and thanks, Florence
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Posted by: Barbara Post Reply
04/07/2014, 05:04:22
I have lived in Manila for 32 years, and collected beads for the last ten years, and I have never seen anything like these beads.
Of course that doesn't prove anything except they are rare and not in any of the many markets and antique shops I frequent.
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Posted by: TASART Post Reply
04/07/2014, 09:56:59
Cottage industries, everything is made for a foreign market, as in USA.... you would not see any items made by them in a local setting, every "shop" has their own US designer and wholesaler funding and supplying material, the locals supply the cheap and talented labor
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Posted by: Barbara Post Reply
04/07/2014, 11:47:11
We live and learn.
In the other hand in my experience of cottage industries there always seems to be "export overruns" and rejects that find their way into local markets - just a thought.
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/08/2014, 13:08:57
Hi Tasart, Thanks for the info. Regards, Florence
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Posted by: BonnieJ Post Reply
04/07/2014, 09:58:06
Possibly Zuni?
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Posted by: ann Post Reply
04/07/2014, 16:27:24
The decoration and materials are not consistant with Wiener Werkstatte productions -- although sometimes vaguely "art-deco-ish" motifs like these sometimes are attributed to them. They look modern to me.
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/08/2014, 13:11:15
Hi Ann,
Thanks for the information. Regards, Florence
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Posted by: Mel H Post Reply
04/08/2014, 00:33:28
Florence, the person who sold you the beads should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I've seen these beads and those similar to them fairly recently in quite a few bead shops. In fact, I'm attaching a link to a similar bead offered by Shipwreck beads.
Related link: http://www.shipwreckbeads.com/search/inlay/searchType/and/orderBy/sku/itemsPerPage/100/page/1/item/95ST550/item/95ST564-A
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/08/2014, 05:55:55
did you find the exact same bead?? Here's the 10mm one on Shipwreck's site...3.25 each...
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Posted by: Mel H Post Reply
04/08/2014, 10:57:15
...the person who sold these as old beads knew exactly what they were doing, I recognized them immediately! They should be sued for fraud or prosecuted for grand theft, but I know that's not possible (or is it?)...maybe an "I've talked to my lawyer and he will be pressing criminal charges" might put the scare into them? Or a talk with the State Attorney General's office?
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Posted by: Mel H Post Reply
04/08/2014, 11:51:43
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/08/2014, 13:15:23
Yes, This is the bead. Mine are 12mm. Florence
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Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
04/08/2014, 22:20:54
Florence, here on the west coast in N. Ca. we have "7 On Your Side", a consumer advocate on one of our SF area television stations...maybe there is some sort of East Coast equivalent that you could consult with...and maybe even Judge Judy would get involved...It would be helpful if there was a written receipt, and a witness to the transaction...
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Posted by: Rubyzane Post Reply
04/13/2014, 13:16:31
Hi Florence! How are you..haven't spoken in a while now. I'm home recuperating from surgery, but next time I get to the market, I'll be happy to mention this to her as well. I don't know her, but perhaps that may shake her that people are talking & refund your purchase. Where is she located..(which market, approximate location if she's in the same spot)? Lynne
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Posted by: Florence Post Reply
04/23/2014, 14:46:44
Hi Lynne, I hope you have recuperated well from your surgery. Thank you for the kind words. Marnie Feldman is NOT a vendor at the flea market. She walks around shopping and selling. I am suing her in civil court, date set for next month. Regards, Florence
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