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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 06:27:24

Yesterday, I visited the 'collectors' fair' in Utrecht, the Netherlands. Had not been there for a few years, but thought I'd give it another go.

I ran into Nel (Anansi) who showed me a booklet from Idar Oberstein I had not seen. So, quickly off to the stall that had these. It was the stall by Christian Siegenthaler who also had a great selection of beads.

I took some picture of his tray, and took home some interesting goodies.
In the evening, I met up with Hans (hans0621) for a night of great bead talk. Not only does he have an impressive collection, it is also very well documented.

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11/23/2014, 06:28:23

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Another box, and a 'twin bead'
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11/23/2014, 06:29:13

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Not a chevron and not a chevron anymore.....
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 06:33:07

First one is picture of reworked chevron beads. One is a piece of a 7 layer chevron, now made into a small cilinder bead. The other one has been twisted, probably in Ghana.

Second picture shows a pseudo chevron. It looks like some type of ceramic to me. Does not look like Prosser. The decoration appears to have been made with a stencil or a stamp, so not like some of the ones that look like they were done more freehand. The seller thought it might have been made in Nigeria or Ivory Coast. Any thoughts?

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Ceramic chevron
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Posted by: Carole Morris Post Reply
12/07/2014, 09:38:16

Hi Floor

Sorry I haven't been around for a while (things have been so busy here I even missed the Santa swap this year! Sigh!), but this reminds me of two that the Bead Society of GB located in Braintree Museum back in the Summer 1996 in their collections which had been put together in the late 19th century by a lady called Louisa Lowe who was married to an army officer and who collected beads from the British colonies her husband travelled to.

Robert Liu (who was speaking at our AGM at the Museum) took a photo of them and we published them in black and white in journal 35 (September 1996). Enough to say that they are not a recently produced thing and Robert said they were quite rare finds.

Carole

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Amulet pendants
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 06:35:23

I had wanted one of these czech glass pendants for a while, but could only find full strands of them. So I am pretty happy to now have two, including one in a not so common color.
I also bought two quartz 'predecessors' to these glass versions. At least, that is what they look like. To me, they all look like zeppelins.....

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1920's Czech necklace
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 06:39:19

Another great find: a full 1920's Czech necklace. I have not seen any with a tassel like this, but I think it is original. It could have been restrung, as the red thread used for knotting it does look in very good shape, but I think the bottom part is old.

Theses necklaces were generally made in the same period as the Egyptian Revival period, which included a whole range of beads and jewelry inspired by 'far away lands and far away times'.

Anybody who has seen this style before, please let me know.

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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
11/23/2014, 09:07:11

great displays!
yes, Floor i have some both loose beads and as long necklaces- so does Carole Morris.
didn't i give you a "tassel top" with a rectangular cross-section last year or this year?
the beads that imitate carved bone with circle-dot designs could be also intended for rosaries?
Stefany



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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 10:05:10

Stefany, I am trying to think of which one you are referring to. I borrowed several 'tassel tops' from Carole and photographed them.
I have seen several necklaces from this period that use a tassle, but not a tassle only made up of thread. In the museum they took out several necklaces from this period out of the archives for me, but none of those has tassels like this.


The imitated carved bone beads are found on these type of necklaces a lot. I have not seen them on rosaries, but I have to say I have not really looked at that many Czech rosaries.

Similar ones are on these pieces as well, a sample card that Hendrik gave me.


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next time i see you i will bring you one... maybe post a photo to BCN during the week
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11/23/2014, 11:51:01



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Czech Tassel tops, etc
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Posted by: Stefany Post Reply
11/25/2014, 06:05:31

hoping these images come across clearly-
i'm showing examples i have - one knotted necklace -original stringing, with a moulded czech 1920s type tassel top pendant same shape as yours, an elliptical rounded cone with the remains of a tassel of red thread inside the opening,
and 4 rectangular-section (sort of pyramid shaped) tassel tops -different colours, longest dimension 1" or approx 25mm, together with some other Czech moulded beads showing the circle/dot design including a whole string of red ones-
in one image you can see inside one of them and discern the hole at the point at the far end.
next time we meet, Floor, i'll give you one of them.
i dont remember seeing any of these in the Jablonec Glass museum...

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Finally, a special chevron type?
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 06:47:16

Found this bead, and it intrigued me.
It is hexagonal, with concave sides. The layers from the inside out are: very light transparant blue/teal (unmolded), followed by star molded layers of white, brick red and yellow, and followed by a dark transparant blue. It's longest side is 13 mm, and it is 9mm wide, so a pretty small bead.

I could not find it in the Picard Series. Anyone else seen it before and/or have a closer idea of it's date? Is it early 20th Century Venetian, or older?

Sorry, pretty crappy pictures.

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Posted by: jp Post Reply
11/23/2014, 20:44:39

I never saw this particular one yet. It looks like something from the South American trade where small chevrons have sometimes more than the usual 12-point star pattern. I cannot count for sure from the picture if it has 16 or 18 star points. I believe it is from the 1700s or 1800s
Great find, congratulation.
JP



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Thanks
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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
11/24/2014, 03:08:55

I will have a definite count when I get home, but I think it has 16 points.
Considering these are cane beads, there surely must be others around somewhere. But if you haven't seen it, I take that as an indication it is pretty rare.



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Posted by: highlander Post Reply
11/25/2014, 15:45:31

I prefer using the terms 'limited' and also to use 'limited production' - never that 4 letter word! You did good to find what may be a very limited production bead!



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Very cool one!!
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Posted by: Uwe Post Reply
11/24/2014, 22:36:53



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I'm happy you found so many treasures at Christian's stall!
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Posted by: Anansi Post Reply
11/23/2014, 07:10:27

Christian, who also lived in Ghana for several years, also showed me some trays full of beautiful beads. But I already spent my money, so sorry, next time better. Happy you found great deals there Floor.



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Very nice boxes, beads and photos! Thank you, Floor!
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11/24/2014, 22:36:00



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Beautiful photograph
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Posted by: Barbara Post Reply
12/11/2014, 02:24:54

The bead boxes are art works themselves.



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