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Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/25/2014, 16:06:36

I recently purchased a whole strand of newly made beads with dragged trail designs - in order to make a direct comparison to the Venetian versions. The seller was in Thailand and said the beads were from Afghanistan. I was wondering about this - does anyone know if there are glass works in Afghanistan making these types of beads? I was thinking it was more likely that the beads were made in India, but there is no tell-tale white mandrel release.

Anyway, in each of the pictures, the antique Venetian bead is on the right. WHen seen together, the differences in the beads are quite distinctive. But, I've seen some of the repros mixed in with old beads on the same strand and then it's more difficult to spot them. I'd say that the main feature to look for in repros is that the surface tends to be very uniformly etched, and the texture is unlike either old beads with light gloss or old beads with a matte finish. And you can see from the pictures that the old beads have a lot more irregularity and surface defects.

The first group shows three repros along side a Venetian bead. Diameter about 11-12 mm.

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Re: Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/25/2014, 16:08:26

This pair runs about 16 mm diameter. Venetian bead is on the right.

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Re: Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/25/2014, 16:13:07

Diameter 15-16 mm. Venetian bead on the right again.

I find it interesting that the white glass on the repros is such a dull color - possibly the bead maker was trying to replicate the look of white glass on Islamic era beads. See next post.

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Repro Vs. Islamic Era
Re: Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/25/2014, 16:19:34

Now you can see that the reproduction bead has rather faithfully copied the color of a white glass decorated Islamic era bead. I think if I encountered this repro on a strand in with other antique and ancient beads, I may be fooled.

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Repro's made in Java
Re: Repro Vs. Islamic Era -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans0621 Post Reply
09/26/2014, 01:51:16

Hi Rosanne,
Necklace from 2010 AD made in Java. I don't think you would be fooled by this one?
BTW the black glass has a great resemblance with your repro's

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My repros seem to be from Java as well
Re: Repro's made in Java -- hans0621 Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
09/26/2014, 10:37:26

I was very suspicious that my repros were made in Afghanistan, as claimed by the seller. So now that I compare my full strand to yours, it is obvious that mine are also from Java.

When seen together in a full strand, It is obvious that they are modern beads. But, I think in 10-20 years if these are mixed in with old beads, many of us may be fooled.

Thanks for your input!

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Another comparison is weight...
Re: My repros seem to be from Java as well -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Joyce Post Reply
09/26/2014, 20:14:56

There are factors of comparison accessible only when the bead is in hand.

The Java beads are (generally) noticeably lighter in weight than Venetian beads of same dimensions, due to different glass formulas. Venetians would have higher lead content.

I agree, though, that mixed in and roughed up a bit, it will be hard to discern good Indo copies from Venetians on a mixed strand. And we know it happens, as we've already seen this on "The Bay", remember, R ?



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Re: Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: mparis Post Reply
09/25/2014, 16:39:39

Very useful, thank you for posting!



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"Beads on Acid"
Re: Beads with Dragged Trail Designs - Venetian vs. Repros -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: Frederick II Post Reply
09/26/2014, 02:52:51

The Javanese reproductions have been briefly dipped in acid.
Like Rosanna'a experiment "Simply Smashing beads",
perhaps someone would like to try "Beads on Acid":
Soak a bead for one hour, then compare it with
another bead left for two hours and so forth.

We may harvest a wealth of information
concerning artificial patination.

Just Fred



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"Beads in geese and ducks"
Re: "Beads on Acid" -- Frederick II Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: hans0621 Post Reply
09/26/2014, 05:26:13

I heard another old story from China to alter beads to experiment with.
Feed the new beads to geese or ducks and wait till they arrive again in the natural way.
There's a lot of acid in their stomach.
I should say, give it a trail.



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