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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/25/2015, 17:48:47

I've been buying more base metal beads lately, mostly brass, bronze and copper.

I have patina liquids ("JAX") to darken brass and copper, but they tend to overdarken and give a flat finish. And I have to sand some of the finish off to make it look like copper again.

I tried heating some with a microtorch, but got varied results.

I tried liver of suphur gel in water, but it made the metals black.

The most interesting results were soaking the beads in the JAX brass/copper darkener, then heating them to burn off some of the patina, then lightly sanding them between two fine sanding sponges.

But the next batches are a lotta little copper beads--small ovals, rounds from 2mm up to 4mm. I keep thinking, there's got to be an easier way to get an aged, worn look to new copper, preferably a matte finish.

Also, I probably need to wax or coat the ones I've already done, so they don't darken more.

I'm going to do an internet scrounge, but wondered if anyone here has quicker methods?

I'd post pictures but I jammed up my phone taking hi-res photos of new jewelry pieces. Have to wait til my tech guy (dear hubby) gets home from a conference....!

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Oxidizing copper beads
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
04/25/2015, 20:11:29

String them and hang them in a bathroom (one in which you shower) or outside. Moisture in the air (from showering or otherwise) will oxidize them.



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Yeah, but many weeks/months/years?
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/25/2015, 23:00:01

And of course, that reminds me that one craftsperson used to patina their brass items by sticking it in their cats' litter boxes. Each cat's urine created a unique patina.

Hmmmm.........

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It depends upon the desired outcome, which was not indicated. See...
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Posted by: jrj Post Reply
04/26/2015, 01:47:41



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Sorry, should have said desired outcome was to be able to use them this week.
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/27/2015, 19:56:37

Interesting link, love the colors, hated the timeline.

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Re: Need suggestions for antiquing copper beads
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/26/2015, 08:52:31

Luann,
Get some liver of sulfur that is in its natural hard state from a jewelry supply house. Just put a few pieces in a lidded plastic container and place your beads in the container it should oxidize your beads in a day or two.

You should put the liver of sulfur pieces is a small container so the beads do not make direct contact all that you need is the small amount of gasses that are released to do what you want.

Hope this helps you out.

All my best ....... Danny



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Re: Need suggestions for antiquing copper beads
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Posted by: KFM Post Reply
04/26/2015, 10:57:01

Luann, the suggestion of putting your beads in a plastic bag with a small piece of liver of sulphur is a good one, if you want more control, here's what I do: Put the beads on a skewer, dilute the liver of sulphur in hot water, or if you're using the gel, you'll be using it straight. Work in the sink with a paint brush and the hot water running. Paint some of the solution on the beads (or you can do it one-by-one, my preference), then put the bead under the hot water right away. Repeat until you like what you see. This method keeps the liver of sulphur from developing its color too quickly and you should get more interesting shades. If you don't like what has developed and want to strip it completely away, you can use Tarnex for that. If you want to reduce the patina just a little, use a soft, brass brush and a liquid dish detergent. Seal with Renaissance Wax.

Another nice patina you can get is by hanging the beads over 1/8" of ammonia in a closed container. I poke a metal rod through a rectangular plastic sandwich box - you can put the beads on the rod, pour some ammonia in the bottom of the box and close the lid. The ammonia atmosphere will create a green patina over night. This I would seal with a matte acrylic medium to make sure it stays on.
Cheers!
Kate



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Thank you everyone for the great suggestions!
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/26/2015, 14:35:02

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Results for patina experiments
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/26/2015, 16:27:28

(sigh) Just lost the entire post, trying again....

So I started with bright copper beads (upper right hand corner, the little rondelles), which are way too bright for the 'ancient and well-worn' aesthetic for most of my work.

The long oval beads in the lower left corner I soaked for a few seconds in a liver of sulphur gel (a drop in a container of water.) It all turned black almost instantly. It was hard to sand off, so I used a JAX solution for cleaning copper and brass beads, restoring it back to bright copper. Next, I tried a JAX browning solution. Though not as dark as the liver of sulphur gel, it was still too dark (and consistent in tone.) I tried to heat the beads--some of the brown patina came off, but not much. So then I sanded them to this finish. I like it, though I don't think it 'reads' as copper.

Then I did the smaller oval beads in the lower right corner. I just used the JAX browning solution, skipping the liver of sulphur step. Then heated them, and sanded them.

Last, I tried the suggestion someone sent me, using a very small amount of JAX and more water. This slowed down the process considerably, though I still had a satisfying shade within a few minutes. I haven't heated these nor sanded them. I think they might work!

Next time, I'm going to try the JAX green patina solution. But not on the 2mm copper beads! Too many, too small--maybe I'll order more of the bigger copper beads and go from there.

Thanks again to everyone who made suggestions!!

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And here is what I was hoping for....
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Posted by: Luann Udell Post Reply
04/26/2015, 17:41:09

These are some copper beads I bought recently, already 'aged'. I love this finish and wish I knew how to recreate it!

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Re: Results for patina experiments
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Posted by: lopacki Post Reply
04/27/2015, 08:11:16

Luann,
Rather than sanding buy some 0000 steel wool and then very lightly rub the surface of the beads, this will give you an "old look". I do this on all of my "Old Style" silver work and it works quite well.

All my best ....... Danny

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Thanks, Danny!!
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04/27/2015, 19:53:33

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