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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/09/2014, 18:28:47

I came across these mille "slices" recently - they are the size of fat mille cylinders (16 mm) from the Venetian tradition, but I've never seen this cane pattern before. There are chips on the flat ends and around some of the holes, and there are gaps between some of the murrine where the fusing was incomplete.

Does anyone recognize them?

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The murrine look similar to some Moretti examples with jumbled core
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Posted by: rosetta Post Reply
12/09/2014, 21:26:59



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Relatively recent-
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/09/2014, 22:08:10

Thanks Alan,
If Moretti, then could we assume they were made from maybe 1950 onwards?

My initial reaction was that these were Venetian but "later" than the heydays of the trade bead era.

Yes, the jumbled core looks vaguely familiar but I could not place it. I think you are correct!



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Earlier than 1950
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Posted by: rosetta Post Reply
12/10/2014, 11:58:14

See the beads in the Sick Cards # 10230 and #1054x series. I am pretty certain that these are Moretti beads.



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Thanks - but which Sick cards are you looking at, please?
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/10/2014, 16:58:40



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From collection at Tropenmuseum
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Posted by: rosetta Post Reply
12/10/2014, 19:56:18

Cards are shown in photos on disc accompanying the book "The Bead Goes On" by van Brakel



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Thanks - here is one example, card dated 1920-1924
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/11/2014, 09:11:17

You have a sharp eye - I went looking through the catalog and did not notice the resemblance of the canes to these.

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...and the elbow shaped version...
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Posted by: Uwe Post Reply
12/13/2014, 10:21:14

I was lucky to find a strand of these elbows... :)

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Re: ...and the elbow shaped version...
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Posted by: Dog Bone Crazy Post Reply
12/13/2014, 12:27:39

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The murrine look similar to some Moretti examples with jumbled core
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Posted by: rosetta Post Reply
12/09/2014, 21:27:18



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Posted by: Floorkasp Post Reply
12/10/2014, 03:57:20

I think they are, like most others, from the early 1900's. I see no reason why these would be newer. This pattern is found on quite a few millies in different colors from the typical African trade period. I always think they are pretty cool!



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Thanks, Floor - any in your collection that you could post a picture of?
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/10/2014, 04:18:32



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Not right now, but....
Re: Thanks, Floor - any in your collection that you could post a picture of? -- Rosanna Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/10/2014, 04:56:01

Kinda busy, but here is a previous discussion on this type. The word used is 'brecciated'


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Posted by: floorkasp Post Reply
12/10/2014, 05:04:15

Actually, when going through another thread, found a picture of mine. Yours have a more distinct pattern inside between the black and yellow, but I think that that just has to do with how heated the cane pieces got during application.

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I found this in my collection
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Posted by: napoleone Post Reply
12/10/2014, 12:55:14

I found this Moretti millefiori from the '30s; it was made for western market. I'm sure I have some more(at least one round and one cylindrical) but this evening I've some problems with my sight, and in taking picture too...
Giorgio

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Bingo! Looks like the exact same cane in a glossy vs. matte bead
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Posted by: Rosanna Post Reply
12/10/2014, 17:00:15

Thanks for the help everyone!



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Here is a strand of same type that I feel lucky to have.
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Posted by: beadbox Post Reply
12/10/2014, 17:34:10

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A splendid necklace indeed
Re: Here is a strand of same type that I feel lucky to have. -- beadbox Post Reply Edit Forum Where am I?
Posted by: napoleone Post Reply
12/11/2014, 10:14:02

A wonderful necklace of graduated millefiori! Is it possibly an original mount? I have the one in the picture in my collection: it is a proof by Moretti from the '30s, without a clasp. They didn't normally sell mounted necklaces, and this can be a proof to see how their beads worked; possibly somebody else realized the final mount like your, or used the same model. What I like of this millefiori, intended for the western market, is that they (to me)represent the peak in quality of Venetian millefiori production, due both to the skills of beadworkers (women) and to the quality of the millefiori canes.
Giorgio

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